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Stop censoring

Journal Entry: Thu May 8, 2008, 10:29 AM
  • Mood: Annoyed
  • Listening to: Cats under the lawnmower
  • Reading: Naruto #18-29
  • Watching: Frogs in a blender with tabasco
  • Playing: Rifts
  • Eating: Subs
  • Drinking: a Red thunder energy drink & diet pepsi
My Concerns

Artist stop censoring your own work. If you follow DA's rules for posting adult oriented work , warnings and age locks, and some one still complains it's because they were looking for something to raise hell about. By censoring your own work you are creating an atmosphere where the prudish minority is restricting the rights of the majority in what art can be displayed. This emboldens them and empowers to make worse demands latter. I was lead to believe DA was a free from censorship web sight when I first logged on, I have seen sense then more artists blocked who followed the rules. I have also noted at least 3 artist hunters who only pleasure is to complain about adult oriented art. You make an agreement with DA when you log on But DA also makes one with you, if you follow there submission rules there should not be any reprisals. If the DA staff is allowing Art Hunting because it is to much trouble to deal with then shame on them! For the most part I love Deviant Art's site and other than the above I have few complaints. If you feel they discriminate and you would have to censor your own work to display it then display elsewhere. Be proud of your work, not cowed by bizzy-bodies who can't imagine beautiful work because there life is drab and passionless.

4 Key Points

#1. A nude is nude. Partial nude is not a nude.
#2. Frontal Nudes expose what is up front male or female.
#2a "A frontal nude of person without there genitals exposed is an underwear ad," as my old art teacher use to say in the class I payed to much for," and are not nudes".
#3. Artfully placed smoke effects that cover only genitals are fake and an insult. They are not nudes,see #2a.
#4. Shadows that conceal the details, but not the presence of (ie: one can see a defined shape.) the genitals is nudity.
#4a. A shadow or blackness that totally obscures the presence of the genitals but leaves the rest of the body exposed is a cop out. One can see as much at the beach. No matter how good the piece ,the viewer is left with the feeling of incompleteness.
"It is better to shock the audience than leaving the work incomplete" La'Sevt painter 18th century.

The Big Fear

I agree one one point: pedophilia is wrong!! I also understand that not all young nudes are pedophilia. A baby on a bear skin rug in the nude is not pedo. A locker room full of teenage girls showering is fan service not pedo. any sexual depiction ,or through innuendo, of some one not of the age of consent is pedo. If stated that they are of the age of consent or already of sexual maturity and are observably so ,in the case "photographic art", then by International law covering the protection of minors it is NOT Pedophilia!
Photographic Art depicting obvious minors in sexual positions with or without an adult in accompaniment is pedophilia.
In the protection of minors I side with the letter of International law, ,period.

May 10th
I forgot to give credit to my long time friend bsneeks. Bob doesn't care but he is the one who did the research into International law.
We have worked before on data mining projects and one of few men he allows to visit him at home. We met on a forum for the learning disabled and that was that. I'm the idea man and he is the fact man. The clients we have done projects for call us the Scoop, not the scoops plural, just the one. If anything I'm the driver and Bob is the steam shovel, his words not mine. If anything he'll be pissed I gave him credit for this much but he deserved it. So to Bob the scary.

Devious Comments

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~raijinzz:iconraijinzz: May 8, 2008, 11:12:13 AM
I couldn't agree with you more! However, things are never just black and white in terms of censorship. What might be considered okay with some people, may not be with others.

I feel it is better to err on the side of caution and not submit work that you know is likely to cause a fuss. If you really want people to see your work as it was originally intended, provide a link for others to follow at their own discression (like I have). That way, they're given the choice, and you don't run the risk of breaking the TOS.

That being said, I always love to support those who choose to ignore the rules and submit their work anyway!

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"Water can flow, water can crash! Be like water, my friend!" - Bruce Lee
~Miscreant74:iconMiscreant74: May 8, 2008, 11:51:04 AM
From what I've the rules are very specific but the enforcement is not. Some artist have been blocked who art didn't even contain full nudity. this leads me to believe Artist Hunters at work just like on Tokyo-Pop and the admin is just going along so as not to be bothered. I don't want to or advocate braking the rules but DA states in at least in spirit if not in practice if follow there rules, which includes state, federal(US), and International laws on minors, you can post your work. Most of my stuff is graphic in one way or another, not as bad as some on DA, and if I post it following all the rules and still some goody-goody :poo:head has some to say, I'm going to be pissed.

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Don't be a p. b. d. sheep.

I have claimed Guts from Berserk with the *bishie-stalker-club
I want his leftovers!!!
~LeeroyTheFish:iconLeeroyTheFish: May 8, 2008, 12:48:42 PM
Ive never really thought about all of that... though, this is such a big website I dont think much can change at this point. *shrugs* Maybe

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~Miscreant74:iconMiscreant74: May 8, 2008, 12:58:03 PM
I'm adding my own commit to my JE.
The reason I posted this is I saw the same thing happen on Tokyo-Pop. It started small but didn't stay that way. It came to the point some longtime TP artist couldn't even post a commit with out some one flagging it. Even it the adult restricted zone many works with just plain nudity were being banned. I don't want DA to turn into a cesspit but if an artist is afraid to post a male with an over sized dick what's next big breasts, how big is to big. Is a couple hugging while nude a sex scene or a loving in brace. As long as it is with in the law and properly advised and age blocked it should be allowed. Unfortunately I'm not a DA admin member so all i can do is state my views and the facts supporting them. If you want to know law look up the International Minors Act and the US First Amendment.

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Don't be a p. b. d. sheep.

I have claimed Guts from Berserk with the *bishie-stalker-club
I want his leftovers!!!
~raijinzz:iconraijinzz: May 8, 2008, 11:10:05 PM
It's hard to fight against those who hide behind the rules and hit you over the head with them at the same time! >_<

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"Water can flow, water can crash! Be like water, my friend!" - Bruce Lee
~Miscreant74:iconMiscreant74: May 9, 2008, 4:05:34 AM
So true. I's like being :analprobestare:

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Don't be a p. b. d. sheep.

I have claimed Guts from Berserk with the *bishie-stalker-club
I want his leftovers!!!
~jamesglover:iconjamesglover: May 9, 2008, 6:21:43 AM
Censorship is the name of the game. As in any organized sports, there are rules. Penalties are provided for any break of the rules. That also means that breakage of the rules is foreseen and accepted by the referees. It means that if you play the game, you will break the rules from time to time. But you must do it in accordance to unwritten laws and that's the hardest part. That's how I see it.
~klingonsfirst:iconklingonsfirst: May 9, 2008, 9:44:04 AM Mood: Love
I totally agree here..the internet was never ment to be the new latch key babysitter of the millenium! If art complies with the established and stated rules of this website and anyone finds that art offensive then they should find another website to occupy their time and perhaps thoughtless imaginations! And good job beseeks on the detailing work, very well put!
~Miscreant74:iconMiscreant74: May 10, 2008, 4:46:50 AM
Yes bsneeks helped me with the research into International law and even though his tastes are in the extrema of what is acceptable I think we are good friends. Maybe I should get him on DA and see what they think of his views on censorship but he is mostly on the net when I'm asleep and hates any site that censors in any way.

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Don't be a p. b. d. sheep.

I have claimed Guts from Berserk with the *bishie-stalker-club
I want his leftovers!!!